MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

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    DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS "SIMPLIFIED" MINORS SYSTEM?

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    MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:55 pm

    This is proving to be quite a handful.

    So, in order to simplify things and keep everything fair it's going to have to go like this:

    MLB draftees are now MAJOR LEAGUERS, and lose minors eligibility. Anyone called up from YOUR minor league squad to your major league squad is ALSO a major leaguer and loses minor league eligibility.

    There will not be any shuffling between major and minor league squads, so no "Fantasy Spring Training". Great idea on paper, but it's just going to end up being too much work and too much hassle.

    If a player is on your major league team, you either keep them, cut them, or trade them. Traded players can only go to the other manager's corresponding team: as in, if a player is on your majors roster, it has to go to your trading partner's majors roster (and minors-to-minors).

    If a member of your minor league team is called up to the REAL LIFE majors, you have 3 calendar years to call them up to YOUR major league squad, but once you do, they are a MAJOR LEAGUER and lose minor league eligibility.

    So regardless of the time of year, minors to majors is a one-way street.

    We will still have the minor league roster deadline, so in future years you will be able to exceed the 12-man roster (via the draft or pre-season trade) until a TBD date in March (this year it would be March 18, 2008).

    Un-owned minors players (there will be a list of owned players in the commissioner's note once we have the yahoo league set-up) that are added to Yahoo's player pool are addable, but once added to your major league roster they will be treated as MAJOR LEAGUERS and lose their minors eligibility, even if they're not called up in REAL LIFE.

    Also: there will be no FA pool for minor leaguers. The only way to add players to your minor league team is to trade for them from other teams, or through the draft.


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    Re: MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by Vriez on Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:48 pm

    I assume that this is in response to J-Doosh and my 'stirring of the pot.' Thanks for the quick response. This seems to make more sense.

    To completely clarify....if someone has major league experience, and wasnt drafted they can only be picked up for you major league roster, right? For a specific example, suppose that Brandon Wood was not drafted. Wood is a solid prospect with major league experience, but may be in the minors for quite a bit longer. He is on the yahoo addable list, so once the season starts....he can be added but only to your major league roster?? Thats the answer that i get from BL's original post, but I want to be sure that its set in stone one way or another....cuz theres a lot of potential gray area for that. Once the MiLB draft is over, the only way to add a player is to your MLB roster, correct??

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    Post by Guest on Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:38 pm

    Vriez wrote:I assume that this is in response to J-Doosh and my 'stirring of the pot.' Thanks for the quick response. This seems to make more sense.

    To completely clarify....if someone has major league experience, and wasnt drafted they can only be picked up for you major league roster, right? For a specific example, suppose that Brandon Wood was not drafted. Wood is a solid prospect with major league experience, but may be in the minors for quite a bit longer. He is on the yahoo addable list, so once the season starts....he can be added but only to your major league roster?? Thats the answer that i get from BL's original post, but I want to be sure that its set in stone one way or another....cuz theres a lot of potential gray area for that.

    That's what I got out of it too.

    Vriez wrote:Once the MiLB draft is over, the only way to add a player is to your MLB roster, correct??

    From what I understand, you can add a MiLB-only player to your MiLB roster. But if they're in Yahoo's pool and you pick them up through Yahoo, you have to put them on your MLB roster.

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    Re: MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:19 pm

    TooMuchSalt wrote:
    Vriez wrote:I assume that this is in response to J-Doosh and my 'stirring of the pot.' Thanks for the quick response. This seems to make more sense.

    To completely clarify....if someone has major league experience, and wasnt drafted they can only be picked up for you major league roster, right? For a specific example, suppose that Brandon Wood was not drafted. Wood is a solid prospect with major league experience, but may be in the minors for quite a bit longer. He is on the yahoo addable list, so once the season starts....he can be added but only to your major league roster?? Thats the answer that i get from BL's original post, but I want to be sure that its set in stone one way or another....cuz theres a lot of potential gray area for that.

    That's what I got out of it too.

    Vriez wrote:Once the MiLB draft is over, the only way to add a player is to your MLB roster, correct??

    From what I understand, you can add a MiLB-only player to your MiLB roster. But if they're in Yahoo's pool and you pick them up through Yahoo, you have to put them on your MLB roster.


    This is exactly correct!

    It seems the most fair and least complicated.

    And to expand on TMS's last sentence, you can only add MiLB players via the draft and trades--there is no FA pool of MiLB players.

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    Re: MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:27 pm

    Vriez wrote:I assume that this is in response to J-Doosh and my 'stirring of the pot.' Thanks for the quick response. This seems to make more sense.

    To completely clarify....if someone has major league experience, and wasnt drafted they can only be picked up for you major league roster, right? For a specific example, suppose that Brandon Wood was not drafted. Wood is a solid prospect with major league experience, but may be in the minors for quite a bit longer. He is on the yahoo addable list, so once the season starts....he can be added but only to your major league roster?? Thats the answer that i get from BL's original post, but I want to be sure that its set in stone one way or another....cuz theres a lot of potential gray area for that. Once the MiLB draft is over, the only way to add a player is to your MLB roster, correct??


    Yes that is correct.

    If a prospect, that has MLB experience, went undrafted in the MLB draft and is addable in Yahoo they can only be picked up as a part of your major league roster.

    There is no way to add a FREE AGENT minor leaguer that has MLB experience to your minor league roster.
    This sucks for minors guys that had a Sept call-up but won't be on an opening day roster, but once we start digging too deep or splitting hairs re: MLB experience it gets too complicated.

    The minor league system is for guys that have NO prior MLB experience at the time they were drafted.

    Keeping it this way also makes waiver wire priority more valuable throughout the season too, in the (rare, yet possible) event that Yahoo adds an unowned minors prospect during the season.


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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:48 am

    C'mon, I cant be the ONLY one to want options for players....


    If we have options, it will not only encourage trading, but it will constantly be throwing "upside" back into the mix......


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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:59 am

    Wow...this is when having a short attention span like mine really hurts...but I don't see anything that I would be overly opposed to...it probably will be confusing for some of us that aren't familiar with Yahoo sites (or am I the only one?)...

    *I did agree...

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:43 am

    I don't know if I got this across with my first response or not. But I think we should do it the other way. IE: players drafted in the MLB draft that are still minor-league-roster-eligible should be allowed to be placed on the MiLB roster. It is within the rules we have agreed to. The players that could be drafted in the MLB draft only needed 1/3 IP or 1 AB. HOWEVER, any player that has been called up from the minors can stay on our minors roster up to three years after their call-up date.

    If anything, this is really just an idea, as it seems the rest of the league wants to do it the way it is in the first post (which is perfectly fine by me).

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:18 pm

    i agree with TMS and jay....i mean i think it is wrong to change a set up AFTER a draft...

    We took over a team that had made some pretty horrible picks and, AFTER reviewing the league rules, we decided to draft young - part of that strategy was that we could send a number of our players down and open up bench spots for free agents etc...i dont think it is a heatlhy thing to agree with jay, but changing rules after the draft and taking away the Milb system (or atleast a large part of the functioning laid out in the original rules) isnt even close to right...it just seems that we had an opp. to get this stuff straight when we changed boards or at any time during the last 2 months...


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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:25 pm

    So what exxactly was the "old way"???

    Here's my thing: I voted yes here, because it seems easy...but I'm down to work within any guidelines. If we keep it the "old way" just let me know what that is, and I'm down.

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:30 pm

    by "the old way" - i was under the impression that we could place our MLB draft picks on a our Milb roster to start the year if they were still Milb elligible....why are we re-doing so much stuff anyway?

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:36 pm

    I don't think it was ever clear whether or not guys you drafted in the MLB draft could be on your MiLB roster. All I ever really knew is that we would draft 6 minor leaguers this year and then fill out our 12 in subsequent seasons. I don't know if this is re-doing it so much as it is doing it. I'd have probably drafted differently had I known I could draft minor leaguers with any MLB experience and then put them on my minor league roster until they had a full time role in the majors. It shouldn't make a huge difference though in a league with 8 bench spots. Unless you drafted minor leaguers that are over a year away. I feel the same as Max, I don't really care too much how it gets done as long as it's clear and doesn't change too much of what we were originally doing since it is after the fact.

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:37 pm

    you can place them on your minors to start the year....and they can stay there for up to 3 years if you want...but once you bring them up they have to stay up.

    What if you have 4 guys you wanna "send back down" to pick up FA's? You cant drop them on the Yahoo team page. Once they are up, they have to stay up, see?

    It's not so much changing things as it is figuring out that things just arnt gonna work as-is

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:49 pm

    well all that above lost me.. Smile....as long as we can place them to start the year then iam totally fine with it......i guess i just misunderstood....

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    Re: MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:14 pm

    NO.

    YOU CANNOT PLACE PLAYERS ON THE MILB ROSTER TO START THE YEAR. The only way to add players to your minor league roster is to draft them in the minors draft, or trade for them from other GM's minor league rosters.

    That's it.

    The second a player touches your, or any GM's, MLB roster he loses MiLB eligibility. Therefore, people drafted in the MLB draft are MAJOR LEAGUERS and must either remain on your MLB roster, or be traded or cut outright.

    Fishes, when you joined and we started drafting there was no TRUE option to send players to your minor league squad, outside of them clearing some mysterious "waivers" system that Luis put in place. Most any player on your team worthy of drafting in the MLB draft would get claimed, so I don't honestly believe that you drafted with the intent of sending players from your MLB squad down to the minor league roster.

    The "fantasy spring training" idea was fleshed out AFTER the MLB draft. It sounded good on paper, but having options and being able to shuffle players back and forth from rosters just is NOT going to work. It's very cumbersome, and would require commissioners micro-manage every roster move and have to simply do too much work.

    As intricate as we want this to be, it's still fantasy sports and not a real MLB squad. Killers made a good point of "eyes too big for stomachs". That's exactly my sentiment with the original minor league system put in place by Luis. It just wasn't going to work.

    So rather than blow everything up and completely start over, we had to change things POST-draft because the settings put in place PRE-draft were broken.

    TRUST ME: I don't like changing things post draft either, but there was no choice but to do it this way, or start the entire draft and/or league over again. Even if we changed this while we switched boards, it still would have been after the draft started.

    We've got a majority approval of this new system, and I'm sorry if not everyone finds it agreeable or fair. But this needs to be chalked up as a growing pain for a new and in-depth league that is just starting out.

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:24 pm

    you're right man i lied about my intention to place guys on my milb roster....didnt even consider it actually.....just chose to come on here and lie a little.....

    its seems to me that iam not the ony one who doesnt get this and who believed you could place guys on you milb to START with....iam not talking about moving them back and forth after the season starts....iam saying placing milb qualifying players on an milb roster....why would i lie about my intentions??? it absurd to think i would.....

    also why does it matter if we place guys on an milb roster to start with??? why is it more work to put mayin's name on a spreadsheet then bruce's??......


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    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:32 pm

    The "old way" was:

    for up to 3 years after a MLB'er made their first MLB appearance, they were minors eligible. Meaning; you could sent a guy down to your minors squad up to 3 years after their first call-up. The catch being: they had to clear "waivers" first.

    This "send down waivers" system was never defined or explained by Luis, but I'm assuming it would've been board-based and separate from the Yahoo league waiver system...?

    There was NO "fantasy spring training" or penalty/waiver-free period to send MLB-drafted players to your minors squad under the original, pre-draft settings.

    That was suggested by Czar, and suggested by me the other day, however after it was discussed it was pointed out that that would not work by Vriez as a rule like that would need to be implemented pre-draft because it would have significant effect on many people's draft strategy.

    SO "fantasy spring training" was scrapped.

    Besides, if this "3-year minors eligibility" remained in place, commissioners would have to enforce that and have to double check every minors roster and transaction to make sure the player was eligible. That is too much work to ask anyone to do.

    The other portion of the "old way" was the 3-year window/clock to call up guys on YOUR minors squad to YOUR majors squad after they made their MLB debut. This has stayed exactly the same.

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    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:33 pm

    Smartfishes wrote:you're right man i lied about my intention to place guys on my milb roster....didnt even consider it actually.....just chose to come on here and lie a little.....


    So you drafted guys and expected them to clear waivers so you could move them to your minors squad? Because that's the system that was in place when you joined.

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    Re: MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:37 pm

    Smartfishes wrote:you're right man i lied about my intention to place guys on my milb roster....didnt even consider it actually.....just chose to come on here and lie a little.....

    its seems to me that iam not the ony one who doesnt get this and who believed you could place guys on you milb to START with....iam not talking about moving them back and forth after the season starts....iam saying placing milb qualifying players on an milb roster....why would i lie about my intentions??? it absurd to think i would.....

    also why does it matter if we place guys on an milb roster to start with??? why is it more work to put mayin's name on a spreadsheet then bruce's??......


    Well for one, you misunderstood, because under the original settings there was NEVER any indication that GMs would be able to transfer players from majors to minors waiver-free pre-season.

    never ever.

    That was a new concept that was brought up in the chat, well after we started drafting, by Czar. So if you thought that moving players waiver-free would be possible, that was your mistake. Sorry man.

    The only mention made in the original settings about moving players down was to have them clear some mystery waivers. that was for pre-season or during the season. And that just isn't going to work.

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:40 pm

    it doesnt matter man....whatever the majority says......but iam not lying and i just dont get why its a big deal to place milb guys on a milb roster BEFORE the seasn starts......but lets just get things straight and over the hump.....then not change it again.......so lets go forward and just move on......i vote yes on all the stuff......

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    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:45 pm

    i don't want to change it any more.

    and I'm sorry I sounded so assholish and got defensive.

    I shouldn't have called you a liar, that's no good, because I don't think you are.

    Thanks for understanding, and I'm sorry about all this!

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    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:52 pm

    no hard feelings......i misunderstood but its not the end of the world...

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    Re: MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:57 pm

    I still think options are a good idea.....

    xo,

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    Re: MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:12 pm

    jay wrote:I still think options are a good idea.....

    xo,

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    Re: MINOR LEAGUE SYSTEM

    Post by Vriez on Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:58 am

    BlackLaHitler wrote:
    Smartfishes wrote:you're right man i lied about my intention to place guys on my milb roster....didnt even consider it actually.....just chose to come on here and lie a little.....

    its seems to me that iam not the ony one who doesnt get this and who believed you could place guys on you milb to START with....iam not talking about moving them back and forth after the season starts....iam saying placing milb qualifying players on an milb roster....why would i lie about my intentions??? it absurd to think i would.....

    also why does it matter if we place guys on an milb roster to start with??? why is it more work to put mayin's name on a spreadsheet then bruce's??......


    Well for one, you misunderstood, because under the original settings there was NEVER any indication that GMs would be able to transfer players from majors to minors waiver-free pre-season.

    never ever.

    That was a new concept that was brought up in the chat, well after we started drafting, by Czar. So if you thought that moving players waiver-free would be possible, that was your mistake. Sorry man.

    The only mention made in the original settings about moving players down was to have them clear some mystery waivers. that was for pre-season or during the season. And that just isn't going to work.


    I know theat everyone kissed and made-up. I love Fishes more than Lagooners cuz creatures are scary....and fish taste good....and make you smart. Is that why you chose the name SMARTfishes?? cuz fish make you smart??? get it?? anyways, i had a point. Despite my love of fish and not believeing fishes are liars...i still want to back up Lagooner here. The original constitution that we had in place had a waiver system. If we drafted a player on MLB that was still in MiLB, we could place them on our minor roster ONLY if they passed a waiver system. If Maybin was put on waivers, id snatch that shit up....like deep fried FISH. this is why i didnt draft Delwyn...i wanted him, but i didnt want him on my MLB roster, and didnt knwo if he would pass waivers and didnt want to mess with the shit. Pretty much all minor league players drfated in MLB draft wouldnt have passed waivers. Especially through me and Fishes, cuz we both love young talent.

    I agree with this new system. i just want everone to get along cuz i love this league and i dont want anymore Luis-like crazy-pissed-off-people. no more quitters....please.


    (did that make any sense?? you cant put this in hall of shame. its New Year's. I have an excuse.)

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    Post by #4 Yawkey Way 2 on Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:33 am

    Thanks JV

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