Consolation Bracket Changes

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    Do you want to enforce this change?

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    Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:28 am

    We're going to vote on a change to extend the season for those not as interested. This is just going to be a YES or NO vote and lets keep the discussion to a minimum about it. Right now, we have 8 playoffs teams, which means there will be 8 consolation bracket playoff teams, and 4 teams with their thumbs in their ass. Here is what we are voting on:


    The proposed changes are that the winner of the consolation bracket will win $69/entry fee for following year. On top of that, the teams involved in the consolation bracket will be fighting for draft position. The team that wins the consolation bracket will be the 5th overall pick, runner up will be 6th, etc. Teams 17-20 will be slotted to their draft positions as usual with 20th place getting the #1 overall pick. So vote YES if you want this change to take effect.


    EDIT: Just an FYI, we still have $180 from the monthlies that we are not doing this year to add to the poll. The money for the consolation bracket winner would come out of that amount. We're currently discussing what to do with the rest of that amount. Not trying to sway your vote or anything, just trying to clear things up since I do not believe it has been posted anywhere.


    ALSO, WHEN YOU VOTE PLEASE POST THAT YOU HAVE DONE SO. THAT WAY I WILL KNOW WHO TO BOTHER AND NAG TO VOTE.


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    THE KILLERS
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by THE KILLERS on Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:56 am

    I'm for the draft position thing but against a consolation team being rewarded monetarily, that's absurd.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:07 am

    THE KILLERS wrote:I'm for the draft position thing but against a consolation team being rewarded monetarily, that's absurd.


    Just an FYI, we still have $180 from the monthlies that we are not doing this year to add to the poll. The money for the consolation bracket winner would come out of that amount. We're currently discussing what to do with the rest of that amount. Not trying to sway your vote or anything, just trying to clear things up since I do not believe it has been posted anywhere.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:13 am

    voted
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Chris Glowa on Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:15 am

    THE KILLERS wrote:I'm for the draft position thing but against a consolation team being rewarded monetarily, that's absurd.

    Agreed. I vote no only because of the $69 to the consolation winner. I've never been a fan of rewarding mediocrity.

    The draft position idea is cool.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Chris Glowa on Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:19 am

    MustacheToes wrote:
    THE KILLERS wrote:I'm for the draft position thing but against a consolation team being rewarded monetarily, that's absurd.


    Just an FYI, we still have $180 from the monthlies that we are not doing this year to add to the poll. The money for the consolation bracket winner would come out of that amount. We're currently discussing what to do with the rest of that amount. Not trying to sway your vote or anything, just trying to clear things up since I do not believe it has been posted anywhere.

    I forgot about the monthlies $$$. I guess giving a little something something to the consolation winner wouldn't be that bad, but I'd still rather see that $180 go to the top 3-4 teams in the championship bracket.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by The Czar on Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:25 am

    Well, I think dead teams that don't set their lineups suck, so giving guys something to shoot for, i.e. their fee for next year will be good for the league IMO. It will make sure that the bottom teams stay as active as possible and dont' tank for a future draft pick. I've seen it happen in way too many leagues and that money wasn't earmarked for the winner anyway. The point of the monthlies was to promote activity from all teams. This is basically doing the same thing, but with $69 instead of $180 and it is way easier on the commishiii to figure out.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by THE KILLERS on Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:30 am

    Yea I realize the extra money but like I stated previously, I rather the 4th place winner get next year free and the top 3 get more money. Higher draft position is incentive enough for the consolation winner in my opinion. I do feel strongly about it but have stated my case and dont have much more to say about it. If you choose to give the 9th place guy money Ill just have to deal with it and hope to finish 9th instead of 4th. (what a weird comment to be forced into).
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by THE KILLERS on Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:42 am

    In reference to Czar's comments. How many times have you witnessed the manager before select the guy you wanted? That's enough for me and any self respecting manager to make a go at it in the consolation bracket IMO. That's the beauty of a pay league. If you don't care enough about your team, you're asking to have your money taken from you. I believe that's a definition of a fool.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:47 am

    THE KILLERS wrote:In reference to Czar's comments. How many times have you witnessed the manager before select the guy you wanted? That's enough for me and any self respecting manager to make a go at it in the consolation bracket IMO. That's the beauty of a pay league. If you don't care enough about your team, you're asking to have your money taken from you. I believe that's a definition of a fool.

    Not everyone here is a huge MiLB guy that follows it closely, so that doesn't apply for everyone here. Some guys simply don't have the time to follow it enough to be badly sniped in a MiLB draft.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by THE KILLERS on Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:56 am

    Then maybe a pay dynasty isn't for them, they will have their money taken.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:00 am

    THE KILLERS wrote:Then maybe a pay dynasty isn't for them, they will have their money taken.


    More the none made the playoffs last year, and I can only remember about 4 of the playoff teams off memory.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:31 am

    voted..
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Vriez on Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:09 pm

    Voted.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by The Czar on Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:19 pm

    THE KILLERS wrote:In reference to Czar's comments. How many times have you witnessed the manager before select the guy you wanted? That's enough for me and any self respecting manager to make a go at it in the consolation bracket IMO. That's the beauty of a pay league. If you don't care enough about your team, you're asking to have your money taken from you. I believe that's a definition of a fool.

    I'm not going to disagree, as that guy is likely a fool, but instead offer this scenario.

    The guy in 16th place is pretty much out of it. He is bored. He knows he has no shot at at the 8th seed to make the playoffs. That week he matches up against the guy currently in the 9th spot and doesn't set his lineup. The guy in the 8 spot draws a top player that week and battles him to a draw but loses his playoff spot when the guy in the 9 hole smacks around Mr. 16 by a score of 7-1 that week. #8 guy would get his ace back the next week off the DL and would have won the league had he not been eliminated as his team got hot in the final weeks. Instead, he is stuck on the outside looking in.

    In the alternate scenario, even Mr. 16 has some incentive to set his lineup and play for that week so can try to recoup his lost funds. The league kept it's competitive integrity and #8 seed guy actually makes the playoffs.

    Yeah, I know that everyone should stay active and that is part of the agreement, but it is a money league and other than just good sportsmanship, there is no reason for #16 to set his lineup if he is out of it. There is no incentive like money.

    That money incentive will also prevent guys from throwing games as well to drop down a few spots and get a better MiLB pick.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by The Czar on Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:25 pm

    Also, there is $110 bucks left right? Can't fourth place also have a shot at their money back and the rest go to the champ? What are you doing with the extra $?

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:43 pm

    The Czar wrote:Also, there is $110 bucks left right? Can't fourth place also have a shot at their money back and the rest go to the champ? What are you doing with the extra $?


    We do, and that's what we're still discussing what we should propose to you guys. I'm open to hearing any suggestions or ideas you guys have. That goes for what's potentially left over, or the entire balance. This is an official poll though, so don't think if a few guys like an idea that's spit out there, that it will automatically go into effect.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:38 pm

    Voted yes...not a bad idea for those of YOU who don't make the real playoffs...

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:56 pm

    voted. although my vote may be null do to the voter being under the influence of narcotics for the excruciating pain of passing a kidney stone. Word to the wise: Drink your water.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:15 pm

    Voted

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:47 am

    I voted no for the same reason as Killers. And this is coming from someone who will likely not be in the playoffs. I trust everyone in this league to set their lineups. I'd rather have a penalty put in place for a dead beat owner than rewarding a mediocre team.

    And to be honest most of the fun I had in this league was once I fell out of playoff contention. I loved all the wheeling and dealing around the deadline and that kept me very interested in the league.

    If the money for the consolation winner goes into effect I however do not think they should also get the top pick in the milb draft. Someones team may just be that bad and they shouldn't be punished by losing their top pick.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by THE KILLERS on Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:41 am

    Now I'm wondering how many people voted "yes" because of the draft pick part and are ignoring or shrugging their shoulders at the money part. I maintain that it's illogical no matter how you rationalize or hypothesis it. I appreciate the oppurtunity for a league wide vote but wonder why the 2 subjects were combined into 1. Its like tacking a rider onto an unpopular bill to pass the House or something.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:02 am

    THE KILLERS wrote:Now I'm wondering how many people voted "yes" because of the draft pick part and are ignoring or shrugging their shoulders at the money part. I maintain that it's illogical no matter how you rationalize or hypothesis it. I appreciate the oppurtunity for a league wide vote but wonder why the 2 subjects were combined into 1. Its like tacking a rider onto an unpopular bill to pass the House or something.

    I agree I'm all for the draft pick part...and totally against the money part. ( I voted NO on everything because of this)

    I won the Consolation bracket last season, I would have embarrased to take money for doing so.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Slider on Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:20 am

    my 2 cents: i agree that we're really voting on 2 issues, which makes it difficult.

    i strongly support an incentive for the consolation tournament winner, and i think a better draft pick is sufficient. so, i voted "no" only because i don't think the winner of the consolation should get both draft pix and cash. i would change my vote if the terms of the vote were changed.

    i think the league should re-think how it wants to deal with payouts now that the monthlies are gone. minimally, we should revise this:
    http://ssdbaseball.forumotion.com/official-rules-settings-f8/money-details-t44.htm
    maybe more cash to the winner and/or runner-up?

    a contingency fund might be a good idea for a dynasty league. this might pay for a better website service in the future, a league subscription to Baseball America (i don't even know if this is possible - just an idea), reserve cash to pay for increases in fees associated with premium leagues sites (yahoo, cbs, etc.) or fee increases with paypal. maybe even a "scholarship" for a dedicated regular who has a tough year in the future. some reserve cash might come in handy, and i trust the commish with a contingency fund. If this is a viable idea, it would be nice to start an "accounting" thread, so the league can follow payouts, reserves, and track deadbeats who haven't paid.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:38 am

    good idea...can we get some nominations for "League Accountant?"

    I don't want to derail the vote, but my idea for Consolation winner might be 1/2 off the following season's dues?

    I like all Slider's idea for petty cash, OR use the $$ for a big, pimp trophy.
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by remysox on Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:05 pm

    voted
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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by THE KILLERS on Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:25 pm

    Since it seems imminent that this rule I disagree with will pass, instead of gripping I'm going to be proactive. And since it's my opinion that the 9th place doesn't deserve the money they would recieve, if I do happen to win the consolation bracket I will donate the money to the charity of my choice on behalf of SSD. I would urge anyone else to do the same.

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    Re: Consolation Bracket Changes

    Post by Guest on Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:56 pm

    I voted a while ago, but forgot to post.

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