Discussion Board

Just want to get this out of the way real quick. Yahoo! has made an unprecedented decision this year to list Shohei Ohtani as both (Pitcher) and (Batter). We have not discussed how this will be dealt with but I strongly believe he should be considered 2 different players in our draft. Therefore drafting Ohtani does NOT entitle the drafter to him both as a pitcher and a batter, the drafter must choose one or the other.

I should have San Jose Slaughter's first round pick in addition to my own 1st round pick, as well as AW Millright's 2nd round pick in addition to my own 2nd round pick.

Dude, I'm working on it.

Just trying to help. Do your thing, man

Okay, think it's up to date. Everyone should check their draft order.

Round 2 pick 2 should be mine, Not AW Millright. Thanks

fixed

Thanks Killers. I'm fine w Ohtani as two separate players, that's what our site offers.

Appreciate the time you're taking to set this up, Killers.

I posted all roster moves in Roster Moves thread. I will have to switch some keepers on Yahoo yet. I also have one more decision to make on one player promotion. I will do so, before the draft commences.

THE KILLERS wrote:Just want to get this out of the way real quick. Yahoo! has made an unprecedented decision this year to list Shohei Ohtani as both (Pitcher) and (Batter). We have not discussed how this will be dealt with but I strongly believe he should be considered 2 different players in our draft. Therefore drafting Ohtani does NOT entitle the drafter to him both as a pitcher and a batter, the drafter must choose one or the other.

I think Yahoo is going to have to address this again in the future if he sticks both ways (I don't think he will), and then we may have an issue if he is merged into one player and then has joint ownership.

If we ever move sites, we will also have the issue of him being only one player.

So, my proposal would be that whoever drafts him needs to decide which way to use him and then the other "Ohtani" goes on our MiLB list and can't be added (same rules apply to checking list and losing waiver). Kind of the same idea to solve the issue, but that way we don't joint custody issues down the road and can solve the issue of two Ohtani's in the database.

Either way, I think pitcher Ohtani is going to have more value than hitter Ohtani. I just don't want it to be an issue down the road. Also, he is going to be a high pick, so whoever drafts him should have full rights. They just have to decide before each season if he is a hitter or a pitcher.

Guess its up to Penny then because I disagree.

You take a risk drafting any player. They don't pan out, die in a car accident, or just stops being a hitter. It's all the same.

Sure is swell of you to show up just now and actually participate as well. Great job!

THE KILLERS wrote:Sure is swell of you to show up just now and actually participate as well. Great job!

I've sent several e-mails asking what you would like me to help with.  Serious question, are you not getting them? Sometimes the school filters block crap. It's frustrating.

I sent more than one asking what you wanted me to do and what I could do to help. I sent one asking if you wanted me to set up the league safe stuff.  I sent several out and didn't get responses.

I sent out some tonight about the draft and setting up rosters.

THE KILLERS wrote:Guess its up to Penny then because I disagree.

Do you not think my concerns are valid? What if Yahoo changes course next year and merges him into one player? How should we handle that?

I'm fine with whatever. I'm just throwing ideas out there. Sorry if I upset you in some way with bringing up my concerns.

No, I never got an e-mail from you until last night so you'll have to pardon me if it seems like you kind of just jumped in.

I think counting him as 1 player creates a bigger can of worms. Does his owner get to keep 13 minor leaguers or 26 MLB roster spots? Can you call up one and not the other? And if not do they have to keep a dead spot for a hitter that may not play in order to get the pitcher they want? There are only so many roster spots and each one is important. I say if Yahoo! merges him in the future then whoever owned him at the position he stays at gets the player and the other guy just loses out and that's the risk you take drafting him.

THE KILLERS wrote:I think counting him as 1 player creates a bigger can of worms. Does his owner get to keep 13 minor leaguers or 26 MLB roster spots? Can you call up one and not the other? And if not do they have to keep a dead spot for a hitter that may not play in order to get the pitcher they want? There are only so many roster spots and each one is important. I say if Yahoo! merges him in the future then whoever owned him at the position he stays at gets the player and the other guy just loses out and that's the risk you take drafting him.

Yahoo is really screwing us over here, so we are trying to work on a resolution.

Okay, so after talking it over, Ohtani and McKay will be treated as one MiLB player, even if yahoo creates two profiles for each guy.

Here is how it will work. If you draft Ohtani, he only counts as 1 MiLB player on your roster. If you bring him up to your big league roster, you must designate whether he is being brought up as a pitcher or a hitter, but he cannot be both because of Yahoo's platform (that may change if we were to move sites). The other "Ohtani" would then be placed on the do not draft list by Penny, but removed from your MiLB roster. Teams cannot add the other Ohtani. He is off limits and the same rules would apply with losing a waiver. The owner must decide each season whether to roster Ohtani the pitcher or Ohtani the hitter if yahoo continues to treat him as two players.

Does that all make sense? We treat Ohtani as 1 guy, 1 roster spot, but the owner must designate how to use him before the start of each season.

The same rules would apply to Brendan McKay or any other two way prospect should they reach the majors and yahoo splits their profiles.

Any questions?

If that all makes sense, let's get this started!

We have Kingery owned by Vriez on his MLB roster.

Re posting this here in case I wasn't supposed to do so on the draft board.

-RB

Did Kingery debut last year?

I just ask because I didn't see him in the Roster Moves section (and I also had him on my draft board)

I'm sorry to weigh in on the Ohtani question late but I agree with Killers. Two different players because Yahoo is treating him that way.

michaeljchris wrote:Did Kingery debut last year?

I just ask because I didn't see him in the Roster Moves section (and I also had him on my draft board)

No.

However, Yahoo has started adding some high profile prospects (w/o any MLB experience) to our player pool. I assume that Vriezy added Kingery last year because he was available in the player pool.

I did the same with Nick Neidert, who I have subsequently dropped.

This makes it even more difficult to track players between this site and Yahoo. If Fantrax can solve this problem too, I'm all in on Fantrax.

Little late on the Ohtani thing at this point. I'm agreeing more and more with a Fantrax move. Yahoo! really created an impossible situation (and precedent) with that one.

okay

I’m all for fantrax! Solves many issues. Kingery was added to 40 man, so added by Yahoo. I actually added him last year, but dropped him in playoffs and then added Austin Hays after vriez snatched him up. In fantrax, he would have a green flag as a minors guy and you can’t add players with a green flag.

The Czar wrote:I’m all for fantrax! Solves many issues. Kingery was added to 40 man, so added by Yahoo. I actually added him last year, but dropped him in playoffs and then added Austin Hays after vriez snatched him up. In fantrax, he would have a green flag as a minors guy and you can’t add players with a green flag.

fine. fuck it. let's move. Yahoo isn't keeping pace. thought i got a steal with Kingery at #9....


I would like to suggest Ottoneu as a site replacement. I know most have a hard-on for Fantrax, and that's fine, but I would like to add Ottoneu as another possible option.

Ottoneu would change this league. It would add:(a) salary costs, (b) hard budgets of $400, (c) arbitration (every year some salaries increase), (d) every player-add goes through an auction (MLBer & MiLBer). The point here is you can't sit on guys for 3+yrs, can't snipe players from the pool, more manager action, trades, auctions, etc.

https://ottoneu.fangraphs.com
https://ottoneu.fangraphs.com/rules

Can you set ottoneu up with our current settings? Going to auction style won’t work in a dynasty when we are already established. If they offer the same settings, format, and allow for minor leaguers, then I’d be all for it. I know fantrax does. I just don’t know this site. If they offer same features though, it has to be better.

The Czar wrote:Can you set ottoneu up with our current settings? Going to auction style won’t work in a dynasty when we are already established. If they offer the same settings, format, and allow for minor leaguers, then I’d be all for it. I know fantrax does. I just don’t know this site. If they offer same features though, it has to be better.

I haven't played Ottoneu either, but yes, ottoneu commissioners can add players AND their corresponding salaries.

http://community.ottoneu.com/t/bringing-a-yahoo-league-to-ottoneu/2702/7

however, i think Ottoneu maxes out at 12-teams (with 40-man MLB & MiLB rosters). So, just ignore my Ottoneu soap-boxing for now. I'll email them to see if they can go to 20-teams.

I was just asking some of my other leagues about it in our chat. They made it sound like more of a style of play instead of a hosting site. Like we would have to have salaries and stuff. This league is already set up, so I don’t see how that would work. If they are a host site as well though that lets us customize our own settings without all that, then that would work.

just checked the MiLB rosters, and i unfortunately called up Dom Smith while trying to win the championship last year. so i should have 8 players on milb roster, 4 draft picks for this draft. quick fix

Killers sniped me. Give me some time to pick my other option.

By all rights Ruiz should have been picked earlier. It was a no duh pick.

Catching prospects though... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A comparable catcher went 2nd overall last year.

I drafted Contreras at 16th two years ago. Ruiz was on my list, but I have Contreras and Posey.

Meanwhile, Glowa is running all of his prospects through drills and collecting urine samples.

And you were probably happy with the pick. I recall thinking long and hard about him at 13 but I took some Bellinger guy instead.

We should not be following Yahoo, for guidelines of anything involving fantasy baseball...Let alone something as important as this. Don't get me wrong, Yahoo was/is fine, when playing for fun. It should not be the platform for any cash fantasy baseball league. For Crying out loud, take whatever the cost of using Fantrax is, out of the decent size size cash pot we have. It will literally save us all three to five hours a year of screwing around with figuring out who's owned/not owned.